Raphael wrote:Well does atom have energy?

In this context, yes. I don't think you fully understand what you're calling 'energy', nor 'atoms', not to be rude or anything, but sometimes it's best to keep your thought to yourself if you're not sure of what you're saying. Nobody knows everything, but some know a little about some subjects and try to discuss them here in a rather serious manner.

To Urweirdsaysi:
Although i don't feel like investing in space research is a waste of money, i do agree it would be advisable to prioritize finding ways to help our planet Earth first. The fossil fuels were a spike in human evolution, but given they're almost depleted, the only option is keep moving forward developing alternative sources of energy. I think it's impossible to go back to farmers and hunters, humans are very complex and they won't allow any kind of underdevelopment, once we've tasted progress as a race there's no other option but straight, thus making it very difficult for science to cope with the demand of comfort and luxury we've been accustomed to.

Milito wrote:

Raphael wrote:Well does atom have energy?

In this context, yes. I don't think you fully understand what you're calling 'energy', nor 'atoms', not to be rude or anything, but sometimes it's best to keep your thought to yourself if you're not sure of what you're saying. Nobody knows everything, but some know a little about some subjects and try to discuss them here in a rather serious manner.

To Urweirdsaysi:
Although i don't feel like investing in space research is a waste of money, i do agree it would be advisable to prioritize finding ways to help our planet Earth first. The fossil fuels were a spike in human evolution, but given they're almost depleted, the only option is keep moving forward developing alternative sources of energy. I think it's impossible to go back to farmers and hunters, humans are very complex and they won't allow any kind of underdevelopment, once we've tasted progress as a race there's no other option but straight, thus making it very difficult for science to cope with the demand of comfort and luxury we've been accustomed to.

Sorry, what I meant to say was that AT THIS POINT AND TIME space research is a waste of time and manpower. The global economy doesn't need money being flushed away for research on a planet that we honestly can't do anything with. We don't have the technology to colonize Mars, so I think for now it is best we hold off and first direct our attention to good old Earth. The amount of money spent on NASA (and other space programs across the globe) is staggering, to say the least. If we put half the effort towards cheaper fuels as we do what is on Mars, we could probably be a bit farther down the road than we are.

Also, as for the human evolution bit, I'd like you to watch the movie Idiocracy. We ARE de-evolving. People just don't realize it. Ignorance is no longer bliss, it is a plague on our species...Granted that I'm not saying the movie is scientific fact, but a little bit of observing the vast majority of humans and it isn't that much a leap, honestly.

Give us another 500 years of going at the same rate and we'll be back in caves and trying to summon rain with sticks and masks.

Cool I love being cavemans again! Although I am already dead.
Nah! What am I saying.Sorry! I say stupid things sometimes.
All this Ideas are crazy!!
No wonder they call me "Einstein of the class"
Think about it. Do people think Einstein is crazy? If so then. . . . . .
Never mind. COOL AVATAR HUH?
That's all

No, I'm pretty sure most people think of Einstein as a genius.

I'd like to ask you to refrain from posting if you're just going to post random, incoherent crap...That'd be really nice of you.

Alright, let me try to elaborate a little here. I agree with you when you call de-evolution the state of trance most of the human race seems to be absorbed into, and rather than watching that movie (which i plan on doing) i think it's clearer if you watch the effect books or movies like twilight have on the masses. Personally i find pathetic the reaction most people have over this kind of 'phenomenon' because, i'm sure, they wouldn't even consider looking at them were they not made popular by very clever people who know where the soft spot is on most of us.

What i was talking about wasn't about that, i specifically used the words comfort and luxury because that's what humans, once accustomed to, would do anything to keep it. I'm sure (or i want to believe, rather) that most of us are conscious, at least a tiny bit, of the current situation of our planet, yet most decide to do nothing for the fear of losing the life they have right now. It is very difficult to promote policies to regulate and control consumption of fuel and energy for the powerful nations because they've got masses of ignorant (not saying all of them, but if you take the population in these countries and the ratio ignorant/educated and compare it to some underdeveloped countries you'd see the huge difference) people who would go rampant over the slightest change to their daily lives, fact that some politicians take to their advantage.

I'm not sure what you were trying to point out by the Twilight, really...I just didn't follow that bit too well, apparently, lol.

Honestly, I've got my doubts that many people actually know what is going on, at least to a decent degree. I'm sure everyone THINKS they have an understanding of what is happening, but those are the people that get all their information from news stations like Fox or CNN.

"the twilight effect" is the complete obsession with a book/character worth **** just because it's publicity is a masterpiece. It's scary the quantity of copies sold, but scarier is the fact that young women are the target of these particularly superficial and full of **** series of books. I might go overboard to say that i'd rather have people not reading than spending time on this crap.

Urweirdsaysi wrote:Also, as for the human evolution bit, I'd like you to watch the movie Idiocracy. We ARE de-evolving. People just don't realize it. Ignorance is no longer bliss, it is a plague on our species...Granted that I'm not saying the movie is scientific fact, but a little bit of observing the vast majority of humans and it isn't that much a leap, honestly.

Give us another 500 years of going at the same rate and we'll be back in caves and trying to summon rain with sticks and masks.

Best line ever on this topic is from MIB

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

Milto wrote:I have to agree with you, to discuss the mathematical proof on a forum of this nature would prove rather difficult to even begin to write down the equations, and i don't hold a physics degree hate to say, yet I'm a math student about to graduate and i've worked with some of these equations in particular, that's why I'd like to see a little more than "names" and some references worth looking up. (Wikipedia is not that kind of reference) that suggest the possibility of FTL travel.

I will dig back into my notes and see if i can locate some online reference to the MIT courses I was taking few years back. It was very good discussion about this topic in particular. I will profess to be completely surpassed by the level you and Slash have taken things to but I am not completely out of the race. Also... math, while a very logical, pervasive, and persistent as a subject matter, is still subject to evolution as with the rest of humanity and it's constructed things. Just because the equation is correct on paper does not mean there cannot be a potential flaw in the theory.

Khan wrote:That sounds good on paper, but realistically it was only in 1903 that we had the first powered airplane flight and 58 years later the first man in space, 8 years after that the first man on the moon. That was 1969. Now 40 years later the rate of technological space development has slowed considerably. With all the troubles with the world economy, I don't expect any major innovations in aerospace anytime soon.

Travel at the speed of light? Not anytime soon. I would lay the odds on a global nuclear holocaust happening before the discovery of an effective means to travel at the speed of light. Light travel speed may end up as just another dream of science fiction, like cold fusion.

I play some pen and paper games with some friends every so often each year and one game someone brought made this arrogantly clear...

Mage is a game by White Wolf and it talks of similar issues and of the world's stifling conformity to mass standards with less and less progression on any subject matter.

As less and less "future tech" reaches the masses people get dumber and dumber... While I am not the GREATEST THING EVER with technology I do have talents and abilities that provide my business with valid success. However, the basic things I can do with technology amazes people that it shouldn't. A 29 year old man that is raised in a metro location with a bachelors degree in business does not have the basic capability to troubleshoot why his computer won't turn on and pays someone like me 150 for a service call to plug the tower back in after he rearranges his office.

Milto wrote:What i was talking about wasn't about that, i specifically used the words comfort and luxury because that's what humans, once accustomed to, would do anything to keep it. I'm sure (or i want to believe, rather) that most of us are conscious, at least a tiny bit, of the current situation of our planet, yet most decide to do nothing for the fear of losing the life they have right now...

Its just plan apathy... people do not like change. They do not like to be moved from their comfort zone. They want nothing more to live is a safe secure world where the worst thing that goes wrong is a bad order at a restaurant.

.. and that scares me more then anything else in the world. Violence, terrorism, etc... all bad things that has instant ability to be changed or punished. You really cannot say that with apathy.

While it seems corny, I believe I'll continue along with quotes from movies...

mistole wrote: Its just plan apathy... people do not like change. They do not like to be moved from their comfort zone. They want nothing more to live is a safe secure world where the worst thing that goes wrong is a bad order at a restaurant.

"Nobody panics when the expected people get killed. Nobody panics when things go according to plan, even if the plans are horrifying. If I tell the press that tomorrow a gangbanger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will get blown up, nobody panics. But when I say one little old mayor will die, everyone loses their minds! Introduce a little anarchy, you upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos."

And oddly enough, its true...People FREAK if a man suddenly dies, but no one reacts the same when a person suffering from years and years of cancer dies, because it is expected and part of the "plan."

Anyway...

Milito wrote:"the twilight effect" is the complete obsession with a book/character worth **** just because it's publicity is a masterpiece. It's scary the quantity of copies sold, but scarier is the fact that young women are the target of these particularly superficial and full of **** series of books. I might go overboard to say that i'd rather have people not reading than spending time on this crap.

Honestly, I can't disagree more. As long as they aren't dipsh*ts and don't take a fictional book seriously, it is fine. It isn't the book that is the problem, its the fact that half the population has the impressionability of a 2 month old child.

Exactly what my point was, the book's a bad one, yet the popularity gained by it isn't because of it's content but rather because of something else. You called it impressionability. We are talking about the same thing, and yet, you disagree with me?. I'm a little confused.

As long as they aren't dipsh*ts and don't take a fictional book seriously

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I'm just going to exploit this a little further: for some of us who books were around from young ages, the books you read do form an impression in you, to mention a couple, i was obsessed with middle earth and epic battles after reading the hobbit and the lord of the ring's series. I became obsessed with the thought of spies and secrecy after reading some of Forsyth's novels, 'Icon' in particular, which made me look deeper into this genre. Now imagine how most of the girls reading this book whom i may say aren't beautiful nor have their "pale yet gorgeous" prince around feel like. My guess would be crap, give or take a little. It's like the same **** they get from TV telling them beautiful means skinny, and make up, and perfection only accomplished by hours of production and photoshop editing is reinforced now by their bedtime stories of pretty boys who might eat you because they can't control the 'urge' when kissing you.

Again, i'm picking on twilight as an example, yet it's not the only case. In the end the whole idea is beyond a book, or a movie, or a TV series. What i'm trying to point out, is how easy it's to destroy people's lives if it's profitable.