your opinion and your period is meant to have a decisive word...
sitting is far from cheating... or having your fleet helped... you say special circumstances- care te elaborate them

so i get jammed in traffic and call a friend or simply i am not near a pc when my fleet gets there- and i call somebody- that is cheating.
and sitting as i said it is not cheating- he does not attack
he does not raid 24/7
he has somebody taking care of the account for a period of time 5 min - a few hours- more than that this does not happen all the time - only when he feels he needs to do it so as i said sitting is not a cheat and to quote you PERIOD

but more than that the account jumping is a cheat- even tho in my humble opinion a stupid 1

more than that players that have 2-3 accounts near the same lvl should use only the biggest or the strongest or a period of time-

Elaborate? Please read my post again. I used myself and the Solar flare effect on my router as an example...This affected millions of Internet users ,so there's a situation where i say , yeah it happened to a lot of Zorg players including me .It's understandable if you turn to those with connection to help you out . As for getting stuck in a traffic jam? Happened a lot of times to me, i never called my mates. I still think of that as bending the rules, ergo cheating. Got stuck in a meeting once, coulda gotten out for a sec and let a mate sit my account , didn't do as i think it's all about principles. May i add that my fleet in X got crashed , but hey ho at least i didn't feel like a cheater. You have your opinion , i have my own take on the game...About letting a bud sit your account without raiding and/or attacking, still cheating imo...Sorry , that's my opinion.E.g. You get attacked, he'll prob move the res and ships away,that's not doing nothing...I don't think that's the way to play Zorg...

I like Pein's idea.

Stuck in traffic? My internet was out for the past few days, Guess what I called my friend wanted him to V for me but I had research going so I asked him to 24 hour Fs me and V-mode the next day when the research was done now I have my internet back and my account V-mode. Basically they shouldn't Fs you every day if you don't have research going Fleets can be rebuilt.

This is more about account jumping than f/s for a friend in a rare "one off" occassion........maybe another example needed.......build up res with one account.....dump it on inactive moon/planet near one of your "other" accounts....vmode then jump into "other" account and raid the res back.....easy to build up multiple accounts this way.......and it shouldn't be...........it should be this: One account per person per set time before vmoding and entering other account.....any res dumping and "recovering" between accounts should be dealt with accordingly.........I hope I haven't given some people ideas and to those doing it already LOL get a life it's just a game.....if u can't try to be the best you can fairly then play something else

Sprog wrote:LOL get a life it's just a game

You know whats funny? THIS

MrSinister wrote:Let me say this, i have 1 account in M, 1 in X and one 1 Speed. The one in Speed i barely used before i retired , because of the absurdity there. Just retired from Extreme, won't be going back and am only in M active (for now ). I don't need a second account in a Uni where i'm already active.I think it's cheating/ bending the rules. Account sitting.....Also cheating, i will admit that when the solar flares a month (or so) ago hit us, i got disconnected every 10 minutes. (fcking wi-fi router !). I called upon a alliance mate to f/s my fleet that had landed in the mean time. I couldn't get connection , so i called him (he had good /fast connection) and he entered my account and f/sed for me! Did that only ONCE and only because of extenuating circumstances.So if that happens to another player , i will understand him/her requiring help in that dept. But to let someone sit your account EVERY day when you're off, Mate that's fcking CHEATING. I reported an alliance a few weeks ago , i had strong suspicions of them account sitting, a few got banned at once, but after a few hours the ban was lifted because their leader came up with a lame *** story about all of them playing at the same time in the same freaking location W/E!!!!
So both are cheating imo,account jumping and account sitting (unless it's once and because of certain circumstances)... Period!!!!!!!!

I do so agree with you, and you are right.

The way it goes on here now is totally stupid and irresponsible.
I think this is the only game I know where this is possible.
I is a shame on this game, that it is still possible.

SITTING:

Sitting a account should be only possible when:
*you have permission of a GO/GA (not from a MOD!!!!!)
*only possible for 12 hours and only 1 time per month.
Unless the account holder contacts the GO/GA with a appropriate reason to it more than once a month.

What can you do if you are Supervising an Account for somebody:
* Holiday Mode start = Yes
* Holiday Mode End = No (Why is that you ask, because if someone hacks your account)
* Flight Options: Can launch save flights, Can use Jumpgate, Can use transport.
* Build Ships, Cancel and restart = Yes
* Research, Cancel and restart = Yes
* Buildings, Cancel and restart = Yes
* Defence, Cancel and restart = Yes
* Send a message to the GO = Yes
* Mine production management = Yes

This is in my opinion the only things what should be allowed.

Account jumping:
Should be made totally illegal and daily IP checks should be carry out by the SGA or Administrators.
Any one with more than one Account should be banned immediately!!!!

Shocked!!!!!!
Not me,
That's the way it should be,
but, that is my opinion.

P.S. have a nice Eastern everybody...

sprog wrote: I have two good fleeting accounts.....damn, one is vmoded.......but there is a tasty fleet right next to it.......well it makes sense to vmode one and crash the fleet with the vmoded account, wait 48 hours then vmode it again.......

Newsflash! This is illegimate! You cannot have 2 accounts! You are multiplaying! It does not matter if one is in vmode.
If you know of such cases, feel free to send an informative message to administration and we will take care of the rest.

Now, account sitting is NOT what you describe here. Account sitting as you describe it here will simply lead in ban of accounts. It is illegitimate. And you can never be sure when this ban hammer comes. But it will come and most probably without a warning.

Account sitting as a concept is not bad. But is should be a core feature so we can control who sits whom. Currently it is not a game feature therefore it is practically impossible as it violates the core rule of multi - playing.
If you can get a friend who does not play in the same universe to sit your account, why we should care anyway ? It is not like we can control that after all.
If it was your brother, would anyone know ? The answer is no.
Do brothers currently sit for each other ? Possibly yes.
What are you gonna propose for this ? Anti-sitting control with the dispatch of special swat forces into the house of the suspected "cheater" ?

Sounds good for a novel.

Lol I don't have two accounts on any server.........I was merely suggesting that "others" do and what the possibilities for those were.......the fact that you state they will be banned is good news at least.......as for account sitting.....as a one off emergency thing to help a buddy out whose internet has crashed I see no problem with this.......my issue is with people who can then get a sitter so they can raid 24/7........no idea what security feature u have in place to detect this but will assume peoples login/logout times would be part of this.......maybe a new way to login might be better......include location logged in from etc and confirmed with email ....... or not

God_of_Death wrote:account sitting i disagree - if my fleet gets home and i call my brother to enter my account and move it it is not cheating!
plus they might be online because they know their fleet gets there

This is OK (usually, if only for launching fleet-save, also if from person who doesn't play in the same server), but we're talking about sitting as "watching over ally mate's fleet, in order not to F/S and to save some deut".

Zorg wrote:

sprog wrote: I have two good fleeting accounts.....damn, one is vmoded.......but there is a tasty fleet right next to it.......well it makes sense to vmode one and crash the fleet with the vmoded account, wait 48 hours then vmode it again.......

Newsflash! This is illegimate! You cannot have 2 accounts! You are multiplaying! It does not matter if one is in vmode.
If you know of such cases, feel free to send an informative message to administration and we will take care of the rest.

Now, account sitting is NOT what you describe here. Account sitting as you describe it here will simply lead in ban of accounts. It is illegitimate. And you can never be sure when this ban hammer comes. But it will come and most probably without a warning.

Account sitting as a concept is not bad. But is should be a core feature so we can control who sits whom. Currently it is not a game feature therefore it is practically impossible as it violates the core rule of multi - playing.
If you can get a friend who does not play in the same universe to sit your account, why we should care anyway ? It is not like we can control that after all.
If it was your brother, would anyone know ? The answer is no.
Do brothers currently sit for each other ? Possibly yes.
What are you gonna propose for this ? Anti-sitting control with the dispatch of special swat forces into the house of the suspected "cheater" ?

Sounds good for a novel.

The following is only for Zorg, for other please don't comment it before Zorg gives his opinion...

About the things you (Zorg) mentioned about sitting, here's what would be good to see ingame:
1. Settle some other types of punishment like:
1-st time - 24h ban, 2-nd time - 72h ban, 3-rd time - 168h ban, 4-th time - Permanent ban
Thus way, you won't lose much players who like to play. Also the punishments should be for both players (the one who's account is watched, and the sitting one).

2. Implement sitting options like the following:
- Player can choose who to sit his account, also to give permissions what can be done with the sitting account (like those mentioned in earlier comment), player can switch who can sit his account at least 168 hours since the last change.

3. Yes, sitting like "two brothers watching over eachothers account in different servers" is hard to prove (not to say impossible). Yes, it's hard to prove the same thing with random 2 persons, one of the things that is possible is to watch for IP changes(I've seen this mentioned), but I guess that lots of players are like me - switching IPs:
- I currently live in campus - one IP.
- In nearby cafeterias there are wifi routers - five more IPs.
- I have mobile internet on both my phones - two more IPs.
- When I visit my aunt I use their wifi - one more.
- There are 7 different wifi networks in my university with different IPs - possible 7 more.
- When I go home, I switch lots of IPs (my provider there is on ADSL connection, on each restart I receive new public IP from their range)

Which leads to possible more than 15 IP addresses used from me in a single week... According to some - I have 14 guys sitting my account...